I've been thinking about writing a blog on this topic for some time now. Then I facilitated a relationship forum for an organization and once again this topic surfaced. Generally speaking, women will have questions about men that we want answers to. This one though is in response to an issue that men sneak into conversations about relationships. So, I got answers. At the very least I will attempt to shed some light on the matter. Know, like all of my blogs, this is my opinion. Another woman might feel completely different about this. Yet, I think what I share will enlighten a few men.
Okay, let's dive in. Every time I hear my girl Mary J. Blige croon, "Bad boys ain't no good and good boys ain't no fun," I smile and nod my head knowingly. The issue that I alluded to early on is really a question that many "good boys" ask, that is, they want to know "Why DO nice guys finish last?" I appreciate their confusion. Why, they want to know ladies, do we insist that we want a nice guy...but end up sleeping with and hooking up with bad boys? Even if I'm not talking to you, you certainly have a girlfriend for whom this is true. One "nice guy" is convinced that because the media criminalizes black men perfectly respectable women now desire and therefore choose thugs over nice guys like him. One young fella recently said to me, "Women talk about wanting a certain kind of man but that's not who they're sleeping with."
I certainly cannot speak for all women but I will attempt to help nice guys understand what's going on here. First, let's be clear about these distinctions. Being a "bad boy" is NOT necessarily synonymous with being a thug, gangsta, player, womanizer, ex-offender, drug dealer, or abuser. Not necessarily. I must confess, however, I have been involved with my fair share of womanizer, players, and ex-offenders. And yet it wasn't their wayward behavior that charmed me. It was something else, largely their swag, wit, proclivity for fun, and sex appeal. It's the book reading bad boys who are curious, intelligent, spiritual, masculine, fun, honest, and passionate about life that I find supremely sexy these days. Well, uh, you might call these reformed bad boys. Or bad boys gone good. Get this, I recently learned that my father was a bad boy, so says a former therapist. For goodness sakes, the man was a Pentecostal minister! So what? she said. Bad boys come from all walks of life. In any event, good ole dad is partially to blame for my tendency towards bad boys. But that's enough about me, back to what constitutes a bad boy. Let's approach it this way. I'll list the reasons why I think women are attracted to bad boys. Then I'll tell you why nice guys finish last.
Why women love bad boys:
- Women secretly like danger. Bad boys embody danger. It oozes from their muscles and pores.
- Bad boys make a woman want to be good to them, want to do what they want them to do; that is, they inspire a woman to give in to them.
- Women are nurturers. Women want to take care of the bad boy. Or tame him. Probably a bit of both.
- The woman who adores men love the masculine energy, bad boys showcase and exploit their masculinity in the way they walk and talk.
- Women like to see, feel, and experience a man's strength and maleness. In a man's presence we want to feel more womanly. The more masculine energy a man exudes, the more feminine a woman feels.
- Bad boys are skilled at "talking dirty."
- Bad boys can be very vocal and demonstrative about their appreciation of the female anatomy.
- Bad boys can be elusive, emotionally. Women enjoy a challenge. Women like having to use their womanly wiles from time to time to get a man to buckle.
- Bad boys are FUN! Shucks, sometimes a girl just wanna have fun.
- Bad boys are raw. Raw can be sexy.
- Bad boys have swag. What is swag? Swag is confidence that borders on cockiness with a dab of aggression thrown in for good measure. The opposite of swag is timidity. I don't know a woman alive who gets turned on by timidity in a man.
- Bad boys got flava. They sport their unique style, whether the world approves or not.
- With a bad boy a woman feels safe and protected, like if something crazy jumped off when they're out and about he'll handle bizness.
- Last, but certainly not least, bad boys "promise" a woman she'll be satisfied in bed. No, it's not that they brag about it. It's in their swag. A man's swag tells a woman, "If you ever let me touch you, I'll rock your world." Yes, sex is that powerful and compelling. As if you didn't know.
This isn't an exhaustive list. But it should give the nice guy some insight into why women fall for bad boys.
Now, let me be clear. What some men think is a nice guy is simply a self-absorbed, humorless, much too serious fella who doesn't understand what turns women on. That said, some men who have spent a lot years studying and working their way up the corporate ladder fall into the nice guy category. The time bad boys were studying women and learning ways to get in their heads and please them in bed, the nice guy was studying business administration and computer science. Consequently, the nice guy can be at a disadvantage when it comes to wooing a woman. I for one like nice guys. Nice guys with a healthy dose of swag advance to the front of any line I'm forming.
In any event, let me share why I think nice guys finish last:
- Nice guys live in their heads too much, rather than their senses, heart, and soul.
- Nice guys don't know when to ask permission and when to just take charge.
- Nice guys often try too hard to please.
- Nice guys are often FUN impaired.
- Nice guys believe too much of what women say about what we want. We lie, to ourselves about what we want. Not deliberately do women lie. But women lie because we're not always ready to tell you how we really feel. Women want men to intuit a lot of stuff. I know, it's not logical. But love and matters of the heart aren't logical.
- Nice guys aren't mysterious or dangerous. Women like both.
- Nice guys talk too much about some things and too little about other things; like too much about themselves and their jobs and not enough about the woman, how delectable and fine she is, and light and fun stuff.
- Even strong, independent, powerful women desire to be swept off their feet and ravished in the bedroom. Nice guys don't make a woman imagine he can pull such a feat off.
All "nice guys" aren't nice. That is, some so-called nice guys are educated, degreed, self-absorbed, arrogant, disrespectful bores who only label themselves nice guys because they need an excuse for why they're not fairing so well with the ladies. By the way, real nice guys, once they tweak a few things that tend to land them in the dreaded "friend zone" can move to the head of the line with women.
Oh, and all "bad boys" aren't all bad. Some bad boys are good boys in disguise. Yep, these guys wear bad boy gear, attitudes, postures and gestures because being bad is cool, and women like it. Other bad boys have a "come to Jesus" experience or just grow tired of their womanizing, thuggish, criminal ways and finally settle down. If they're not all worn out from the game and still got swag left, swag is always en vogue. Some woman will want him.
Oh, and all "bad boys" aren't all bad. Some bad boys are good boys in disguise. Yep, these guys wear bad boy gear, attitudes, postures and gestures because being bad is cool, and women like it. Other bad boys have a "come to Jesus" experience or just grow tired of their womanizing, thuggish, criminal ways and finally settle down. If they're not all worn out from the game and still got swag left, swag is always en vogue. Some woman will want him.
Women favor bad boys, partially, because of Hollywood. American movies glorify the bad boy. Think the parts portrayed by Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Harrison Ford, Samuel L. Jackson and more and more, Denzel Washington. It's the bad boy that always accomplishes the impossible mission, gets the beautiful woman, and ends up rich and famous and celebrated. Bad boys do what they gotta do, by any means necessary. A do-what-you-gotta-do approach to life (for me, that does not include criminal behavior) is a characteristic women reserve for "real" men.
I have more to say on this topic, so look for Part 2 to Why Nice Guys Finish Last. I'll tell you the fundamental reason why women fall for bad boys and what happens to a woman that can change her choices in men. If you have some thoughts on this topic, do leave a comment.
Smooches!
DeBora M. Ricks
Author/Speaker/Attorney
www.DeBoraRicks.com
Hated it...Wow you nailed it. But I don't like you anymore...lol You articulated the thoughts, feelings and impressions that I have secretly felt about why we seem to always finish last and remain stuck in the he's just a friend mode. Good guys also like bad girls....Be yourself and know that what's for you is for you. Thanks again for shining some light. I hate you even more now....just don't ever stop ......BadGirl I think I got your drift......
ReplyDeleteWow...you are so dead on...I love it...might inspire a poem or two:-) I have so had this conversation about nice guys...I do believe that a lot of them are not so nice...they just don't do the things that inspire a woman to want to be with them. I know a nice guy or two that is really a bad guy to women and refuses to own that they need to make some changes to get a good woman. Yes bad boys do study women and know what we want...only for the wrong reasons...that being to control us and to make themselves feel powerful. Can't wait for part two.
DeleteThank you mixmastermike58. I've dated, talked to and observed a few nice guys and have listened to their concerns; I'm glad I was able to capture their sentiments. I agree, that who is for you is for you. I think, however, all of us want as many options as possible. I'm all for being yourself, but if how I'm consistently showing up in relationships, on the job, in social settings isn't getting me what I want then I'm all for examining ME to see how I might tweak some things to get more of what I want. And yes, "good guys like bad girls." I think it boils down to this, people like a bit of excitement in their life and relationship, bad boys and bad girls bring it. LOL Oh, I just noticed that you called me a "BadGirl." Interesting. I'll keep writing so long as Spirit keeps giving me something to say...and people like you keep reading what I write.
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DeleteAs far as your prolific disertations which some tomes pierce heart and soul continue your journey into truth...who knows where it will lead....maybe we meet at the croosroads after all the twiking is done.
To Cherrie, I know a few so-called nice guys like the ones you mentioned, they aren't so nice after all. In fact, they get the nice guy label largely because they don't do well with women...and people tend to think that's one way to know a man is a nice guy, he's failing with the ladies.
ReplyDeleteI do think SOME bad boys study women so they can get what they want, control them, manipulate them. Many use women. They look to women to take care of them, financially and emotionally. Until they have a "come to Jesus" experience of some sort. However, I know some bad boys who aren't one bit interested in controlling women. Never have been, though they could because women adore them. I can think of two as I write this. Bad boys have swag, have an edge. They're confident and cool. Smart. Many are educated even and successful in their careers. Then there's the bad boy that gives bad boys a bad rap. I know a bad boy or two who has quit the game; they're reformed. These men can be sweet, spiritual, loving, fun, and sexy. Yes, I'm thinking about such a bad boy as I write this. So, all bad boys aren't so bad after all.
Someone said this on The Lawrence Bell Show yesterday, when a woman changes energetically, she'll attract a different kind of man. I like to say we might still attract "Mr. Wrong" but less and less will we give him our number.
I believe you are a BadGirl, DeBora, but for a different reason. Most women can't write a paragraph regarding their own personality much less their true sexuality. You do that very well. However, you should also consider evaluating guys like myself. Some woman consider us to be bad boys while other women consider us to be nice guys; simultaneously. Interesting, neither bad boys or nice guys ever think about the women we're exposed to as much as the women we're exposed to believe that we are thinking about them. It's not preoccupation or premeditation regarding relationships that we seek or any planned agenda, as so many women seem to think. In reality, most men are preoccupied with our hunter-gatherer ethos (the sense of responsibility to the species) which requires a whole lot of focus on our part, as you can imagine. As for securing a serious mate, we're usually attracted toward a female who caught our attention because of how she looks, how she smells, how she acts and how she communicates and then how we might imagine her someday reproducing a person in our own image with the desired sized nose, ears, arms, legs and lips and all of that kind of stuff. On the other hand, women seem to have a very different agenda. I call it the fake-out agenda. For example, she wants the man to believe that she is a beautiful person and then wears tons of makeup to prove it. She wants the man to be interested in her physical appearance but avoids the gym by any means necessary and substitutes that appearance with greater skin exposure; cleavage, booty, no panties. And worse, she's attracted to the man sexually and wants to get busy faster than immediately but she feels obligated to play hard to get or shy. Would that make sense to women if men were engaged in the same behavior, doing the same thing? The bad boys think "I don't have time for this BS, let me cut to the chase"...and they come off as rough and tough and raw; therefore appealing to women who like bad boys. The nice guys think "I don't have time for this BS, let me ignore this chic altogether and go back to building my business"...and they come off as fun-less, swagger-less and full of non-adventure; therefore appealing to women who like nice guys. But, what about brothers like me? A long time ago, one of my female business clients arrived in my office late at night. We conducted the business at hand and then sat there becoming increasingly personal. When my unique idea of adventure was discussed and rewarded with her consent; we stripped down to our undergarments, walked out into the hallway, summoned the elevator, pressed every button for 8 floors down to the lobby and then pressed every button for 8 floors back up to my office, while passionately kissing and hugging and rubbing and sucking the whole time we stood in jeopardy and maybe (or maybe not!) even fortunate the elevator didn't stop on some floor before our ride was over. I'll leave the climax of this story to your imagination. The point is, nobody in that office building would have told you I was anything less than a "nice guy" working hard and trying to build his small business. Do you categorize me as the nice guy or the bad boy? If you categorize me as some kind of hybrid then I want you to discuss that a little further in Part II of your blog conversation. I am a nice guy, DeBora, and most people will tell you that. But, if I confessed the woman in my story was the aggressor and married with children...would you still believe I'm a nice guy? And, how would you explain me to your readers?
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DeleteThanks Robert, for your response. To tell you the truth, there's no sure way for me to determine if you are a nice guy, bad boy or hybrid. That assessment is best left to the women that know you. Whether you're a nice guy or bad boy, what matters is this: Are you happy with how you fair with women? I wrote this blog to answer a question, one I kept hearing from men who must have been concerned that they were nice guys. I want to help "nice guys" understand what's behind the choices women make, to assist Mr. Nice Guy in appreciating why women say they want a certain kind of guy...but will often fall in bed with another kind of man.
DeleteIn any event, Part 2 is coming. Stay tuned!
“Sigh.” Thinking of myself as your proverbial “nice guy” just reading the title of this blog has me saddened, discouraged, defeated, and deflated. Therefore, I owed it to myself to get over the title, and actually read what you had to say! My problem with your blog post is that your definition of a “nice guy” is in many ways inaccurate. I take that back: I AM a nice guy, but hardly fit your profile of a nice guy. So what does that make me? And will I still finish last?!? On to your blog post and my comments:
ReplyDeleteIn any event, let me share why I think nice guys finish last:
1) Nice guys live in their heads too much, rather than their senses, heart, and soul.
RESPONSE: I am a passionate man, who lives by his heart, and (as corny as it sounds) is in touch with his feminine side. I am definitely a right brain thinker.
2) Nice guys don't know when to ask permission and when to just take charge.
RESPONSE: I can take charge; trust me (would you like references?).
3) Nice guys often try too hard to please.
RESPONSE: Okay, I’m guilty on that one. But do you want a man who is disinterested in pleasing you?
4) Nice guys are often FUN impaired.
RESPONSE: I’ve been skydiving and have made love in public. Do I SOUND “fun impaired?!?” (I am willing to do both again, especially the latter one!)
5) Nice guys believe too much of what women say about what we want. We lie, to ourselves about what we want. Not deliberately do women lie. But women lie because we're not always ready to tell you how we really feel. Women want men to intuit a lot of stuff. I know, it's not logical. But love and matters of the heart aren't logical.
RESPONSE: Okay, you got me on that one. I don’t know what to say. Men, however, in general, are not the greatest in being intuitive; perhaps it counts if you can tell a man is at least TRYING?!?
6) Nice guys aren't mysterious or dangerous. Women like both.
RESPONSE: Um, something I could work on. However, I do keep a lot of things to myself, so perhaps that could be considered mysterious.
7) Nice guys talk too much about some things and too little about other things; like too much about themselves and their jobs and not enough about the woman, how delectable and fine she is, and light and fun stuff.
RESPONSE: I love where I work, because we positively impact people in over 100 countries around the world. As for my job itself, I could describe it to you easily in under five minutes, and not have anything else to say about it unless you asked. When I’m with a woman, all I want to know is more about HEr, her likes and dislikes, what makes her happy, her secret fantasies, etc.
8) Even strong, independent, powerful women desire to be swept off their feet and ravished in the bedroom. Nice guys don't make a woman imagine he can pull such a feat off.
RESPONSE: I think you are making an assumption about nice guys on this one, OR perhaps have had an “unfortunate situation” with a “nice guy” in the bedroom! My biggest desire is to sweep a woman off her feet and ravish her in the bedroom! To make her feel like she is not only the most beautiful woman on earth, but also the most special.
I appreciate being able to share my thoughts with you on your blog. I eagerly anticipate your replies to my thoughts!
With blessings and love,
Fred
P.S. Am I bad enough of a nice guy that you’d like to get to know me better?????
Fred, thanks for taking the time to pen a response. I won't even attempt to respond to every point you made. Nor will I say I've had an '"unfortunate situation" with a "nice guy" in the bedroom!' but I will confess that these days I tend to be attracted to reformed bad boys. These are men who have that edge but are still kind, loving, spiritual, fun, able to hold a good conversation, and can sweep me off my feet.
DeleteAs for your P.S. question, I'm not available.
Hi DeBora! I wasn't expecting a reply to everything I wrote; perhaps it was written with a cathartic aspect in mind. Thanks for replying!!
ReplyDeleteDeBora, this is excellent, and on point! It looks to me like you have another book in you. When is this one coming out. And I say, lets turn it into a movie!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks for speaking THE TRUTH so eloquently!
Thanks PeaJae. Actually, there's a chapter in my upcoming book, Why Did He Break Up With Me? about bad boys. Indeed, a movie sounds wonderful. When do we start?
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